I’m probably a bit biased, but I have to agree with mytfast. Love my 90 T-bird SC. Have been looking for a turbo coupe to add to the collection - mostly because of the styling of the 9th and 10th generation birds. I didn’t buy my cars as investments - I bought them to drive and enjoy.
I actually replaced my 1986 T-Bird Turbo coupe with a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP which is the surpercharged version of the 3.8 V6. If you’ve never driven one of these you’d be quite surprised at the performance of this front wheel drive full sized car. The car is nicely equipped including the unique "Heads up " corvette option that projects speed & a wide number of other functions on a digital screen that is projected onto the front windshield that makes it appear that the digital info is floating outside above the hood. Pretty cool if you’ve never seen it
The heavy duty automatic trans also includes a button controlled performance shift option on the shifter to stabilize torque & provide optimum shifts. After the Thunderbird went out of production in 1997, this became a good choice for a supercharged vehicle, especially with the bullet proof 3.8 V6. I still have the GTP today with 111,000 miles on it & never had a mechanical problem. It still runs really strong & most can’t believe the power from a standstill where I can easily burn 50 feet of rubber. Really good performance form 50 to 100. Never heard anyone who had one complain about the car, other than the power window motors have been replaced a few times
The Hummer was a bit better than the old Jeep it replaced. The problem is more in how it was used and even more so how warfare changed. After Iraq was defeated those who still resisted were conducting guerilla warfare. So IEDs were their main tool. Nothing but an armored vehicle can survive a big explosion. The Hummer was designed to be relatively quick and maneuverable, it was never intended to go into actual combat. Take a WWII Jeep into the middle of a fire fight? Never!! Those were scout vehicles at best. Escorting convoys as a quick response unit was one of it’s intended purposes, but taking direct fire wasn’t. It’s just what the Army had available. Armoring it up wasn’t the best solution, but helped. The MRAP vehicles are more akin to WWII armored cars like the Greyhound, and that’s what is needed to go into “light” combat.
I certainly understand the feelings of colsteve – I served in the USAF 24 years. Only had a small taste of actual combat a couple times, and never in a vehicle except to jump out and take over during a convoy attack (from a lone stupid guy with a light machine gun… quickly taken out!). Combat has just changed! While we were more ready to fight “the next war” than Saddam was, in some ways we were still fighting “the last war”, especially infantry tactics. The Army learned a lot and has taken steps to rectify that, but some aspects of ground warfare doesn’t change much. Guerilla fighting is always dirty, and the “invader” is always at a disadvantage.
Mike that is because the Kawasaki is actually a work of art. I hate all Japanese bikes FYI.
Why isnt my 77 dodge D100 ever mentioned
@mmcd7276 haggerty is an insurance company, but they take the stats of the types of vehicles people are buying and they put trends together etc… That way they have an idea of what is going up or down… Then they create these articles to help develop new people in the classic car market. Those who are wanting to get into the market may be looking for an entry level newer type car to invest in etc… No need to be so cynical.
Nobody gives any love to the 2005-2009 slk55, alot of car for the money and its been a problem free car naturally aspirated 5.5l V8 still fast, and sounds great, I’ll keep mine.
I can’t add much more than what others have said except a summary. It’s a dumb vehicle. Cheaply made for people who wanted to feel tough. And, worst of all, nearly everyone got a good laugh at the expense of those stupid enough to pay for one. The only Hummer that will likely be a collectible is the H1 and if you’ve ever driven one or paid for the maintenance on one, then you won’t want it. Just check in on what a single tire costs – its not your average Big-O or Walmart tire. No, the Hummer is simply a laughable rig to have.
quite a few comments here to chime in on…
Hummers as collectible items. Agreed, the cost of upkeep on them (how huge are those tires anyway) must be dear. To each their own, but think about how much storage space it keeps up. At least an old WWII Jeep has character, and can be push started, if needs be.
2 door cars are only the collectible cars guy. I’m pretty sure there are some old Rolls-Royces and Bentleys that have 4 doors that are worth quite a pretty penny even now a days. As a pickup owner, it’s interesting to see the interest in older pickups. Kind of adds to the challenge of finding one in good shape. trucks were made to take abuse, and most truck owners decide to have the trucks wear the dents and abuse marks as badges of honor, to prove the overall toughness of the truck.
Hagerty<>Investment topic. People should be glad that Hagerty is out there. Any other car insurance company out there would run screaming from anybody in the classic car culture crowd. I had to fight tooth and nail with a “regular” car insurance company on my old truck, and it still isn’t sorted yet. I win one victory with it, and they turn around and threaten that that would be short lived. If you take it to our repair shop, they will deem it too expensive to fix and want to total it out. Gee. Thanks. Now I have to find somebody who isn’t their repair shop who does actually want to work on it to get it back to shape.
I believe all the talk about investment, for the majority of us on the site, is more of a distraction than a help. It kind of is out there for those people who have other investments, and are just diversifying their portfolio into tangibles, like gold. They aren’t really telling us what to buy, or what to sell, but the trends that they are seeing. However, I would like to point out that this investment talk is not only turning off some of the car culture crowd, but I believe it is opening up the floodgates for 21st century modern cars to be considered as part of the classic car genre. By my watch, there is still at least 7 more years to go on that.
If you’re still reading this, guy with the lifted restored van. If I ever owned a domestic van of that era, I would not even hesitate and go with the “A Team” Paint job on it.
I’ll gladly watch that boat sail away.
Short bed stepside. It’s a sports car for the masses that you can haul lumber and mulch in. They turn on a dime and have almost car driving dynamics. Its also not as smogged out as other 80’s cars as the feds hadn’t gotten around to making them pass the same emission tests as cars of the same generation.
There is only one HUMMER or HUMVEE, and that’s the H1 military vehicle that everyone drove before the G-Wagon took over the segment, and/or “scene.”
The H2 and the ilk aren’t built to withstand warlike conditions, apart from that of the Bloods and Crips.
It’s a Tahoe PERIOD.
Just typing “H-3” makes me feel dirty, so I’m going go take another shower now.