When did automakers start hating young people so much?

Kindly suggest a Mazda CX-3 or 5. Ticks all the boxes they want, but they also happen to be great drivers. Once they get used to a car that handles well and is fun to drive around they may start to look for more engaging cars in the future.

My wife has a CX-5, and you’re right, for the price, it is the best CUV if you’re looking for a fun to drive vehicle. That being said, my kid liked the Nissan Rogue that they had as a rental last summer better!? I drove it, and thought it was a soulless pile, especially hated the CVT (but I’ve never driven one that I liked, or would own/buy, even Honda’s, that the motoring press seems to like).


How about that 64 1/2 Mustang. Affordable, Good Looking, Fun, Reliable. You put all 4 of those things in a car and it’s a huge win for everybody- SOMEBODY PLEASE DO THIS AGAIN instead of the toasters we are forced to choose from!

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Oh well… I guess having one less fossil fueled car on the road is better then the tons of plastics we use without thinking twice about. NO I didn’t read the this article from start to finish but I do notice young people and their shopping habits when it comes to the need of doing less and letting their shopping come to them. For every one car on the road polluting the air there are billions of plastic bottles, plastic bags and coffee cups being produced that creates pollution as well…Its just like the young people to complain about something that’s gone on for years but not see what they have been doing is just adding to the evil we are doing to this planet…I know I know off topic here but its all is leading us to the same ending…WE are a throw away society and always will be from now on because its so easy…I.got to have the newest smart phone model,I got to have my liter bottle of water with me every second of the day and I got to stop and get the 5 dollar latte mocha so everyone see’s me looking the part… I guess we know that auto makers are letting us all down then too, you don’t need to “ORDER” that car you want because they have so many built already that they are hoping they can get us to buy one with a few of the options we might want on your $23.000 dollar car. I know its not in them to wait for anything…I mean the younger people…They have grow up with this ability to figure out that nothing else is more important than their time complaining!!! Oh… and its not about anything specific, just the topic of the day on FB… The auto industry is falling on its face now…after about 2 or 3 years of level gas prices and a so-called “better economy” the small car market beating over the last 7 or 8 years has taken its toll…The younger people have lost out on that option of an economical car because the auto industry lost that bread and butter segment to the SUV craze…When push came to shove on the show room floor, SUV’s got us believing more is better!!! I know “to each their own” is a good rule to stand on but the market can’t follow theses young people ideas because they have so many of them and they are all self absorbing interest…If and when they look up from their smart phones and are told “take it or leave it” or “I have to order that” or " this is the only color it comes in" well I guess we know that they will get a ton of replies to their post about how rude they were treated at the_______ ( fill in the blank ) I was at a 16 year olds birthday party this weekend, the only thing that stood out to me as unusual was the fact that the younger people that were there seemed to only be concerned about having enough outlet to charge their phones…a dozen or so kids all with that phone glued to their hands…Yes the auto industry does hate younger people so much, and a lot of us do as well…

When US automakers started working for CARB and Brussels, they began to hate ALL their customers.

We can only end the mindless nonsense of empty cold war rhetoric about climate change by agreeing with you and keeping our mouths shut? Think we hit the root cause.

“the Look” is the thing that is missing for most cars/companies today.

Back when GM was competing with itself (silly in ways sure) you knew which make was which. I give Jeep props for mostly looking Jeepish.

Mazda has a bit of style.

Kia and Nissan have some --and yes, some of it is weird. Bring on the weird.

Dodge has a bit of style with the retro cars and more than 3 colours… Mini looks like new mini

but there are classes of car where there are 10+ variants from various companies and if we mixed up the badges 98% of people wouldn’t know.

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Why not electric? Electric is cool.

As a young person(going into first year of college), and being a car enthusiast I hate seeing new generations of cars coming out with even more tech and safety features. Unlike most kids I know from my town I wasn’t gifted the family car or given one, I had to work for mine, which ended up being an 86 camaro LT, and 85 K5 Blazer, an 85 K2500 suburban, and now my college car an 95 Saturn SC2. I love the simplicity of my old cars, my suburban doesn’t even have a radio, it has two bench seats, and indestructible 350 with and 4-speed manual, and everyone know me and that truck because it’s unique and different. No one cares if you drive by in a quite, slow, and boring looking economy car, people notice the style that you represent in the car you drive, even if they aren’t a car person. I said in my freshman year of high school I wouldn’t buy a car past the year 1995 until I can’t anymore and am forced to buy a newish car. I also find that options for cars nowadays are boring, I love reading built sheets about my cars and one I find in junkyards, it basically makes every car unique in it own way, but nowadays every car from every brand that is in the affordable young buyer market is just the same thing. Someday when I have kids of my own and they go and buy there first car the way I did it’s going to be kinda sad because they won’t be able to experience having a unique car, they’ll just have to settle with a 20 year old beater with no style or class.

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I think it is really coming into its own finally. The new Honda e is a fantastic looking car, and if they would put it on sale in the US, I would be at a dealer tomorrow looking at one.

It’s only cool if it’s cool i.e. Steve McQueen. I’m sure e cars will do better and whatever in the future, but at least in my camp there’s too much resentment to want to even look at them. The social push by tax breaks, idiots where electricity is made from burnt coal looking down at cars using gas, governments raising gas taxes for road repairs and letting e cars run for free, etc. Hard to date someone who pisses you off :wink:

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If I can get some of my taxes back for driving some cool tech, I’m taking it. :slight_smile:

Well one variable is Sun Spots , the other is volcano’s which affect the weather . These both have had a measurable effect in recent times ( i.e. Krakatoa ) look it up , a little island in the Java Sea , perhaps you have heard of it ? It caused what has been termed the little ice age , crop failures , much colder temperatures global effects , some would say we are just now starting to actually return to normal . The planet has been MUCH warmer than now and we survived and in fact flourished . They use to be able to grow grapes in Nova Scotia ,. hence the term “Vinland”.

I love Capitalism , it is the greatest force for good and equalizing people the world has ever seen and yes eventually the market will determine what happens . But is should be left to do that on its own forces . Not the Crony-ism that currently infects much of the body politic. If it succeeds or fails it should do so on its own accord , not because Governmental forces willed it to be so .

There is still free public discussion out there, and You are not oppressed thereby.
Last month was the hottest June on record ever in recorded history.
This month is lining up to be the hottest July.
The ice melt continues unabated, and is increasing.
The permafrost continues to melt, and the rate is increasing.
The ocean temperatures, including the deep ocean, is growing warmer.
Small island nations and islands are going underwater. Staten Island is seeking to build a sea wall to keep from flooding. DJT wants one for his golf course in Scotland.
None – as in Not One – of the causes of past global warming (and yes – we Do know what they were) are occurring now.
There’s just something about Reality™ that demands better public discussion. Better does Not repeat Not include denial of what’s actually going on.

Sure, lets go with that. There’s still free public discussion out there, and you only want to end certain parts of it. You can list many problems, but not solutions, and only recorded history temps can be included in the history of the Earth. At one time, most of Florida was under water, but without pictures, it doesn’t count. I love coming here to talk cars.

WRT recorded history:


Sorry old chap. I’ve been waiting for 20 years for the original false claims of “rising sea levels” to rise to catastrophic levels in NYC. Hasn’t happened of course. Let me know when real estate goes for 10 cents on a dollar there. I am in a buying position. Check back with me in another 10 years. As “smart” as the people at CNN are and with all the “intelligent” and rich “masterminds” that they can tap for advice in Manhattan, why did they move their HQ to within 6 feet above the Hudson river a couple of months ago?

Time is nature’s way of ensuring that everything doesn’t happen all at once.

Check Staten Island – just across the bay. It’s seeking a sea wall.

Check Trumps golf course in Scotland – he’s asking for a new sea wall to protect it from rising ocean levels.

Check the small island nations of the world.

But most of all, check the glaciers.

That water is going to go somewhere.

Seawalls are being built to better handle occasional bursts of extreme weather, not climate change. There is a difference. In ancient times, places like Michigan were under a mile of water for instance. The climate changed since then and man’s activity had nothing to do with it. A seawall will not stop a TRUE climate change caused by events that take place for instance on the Sun (sunspots and solar flares) and inner core activity under the earth. You can worry about those things if you wish. Even third graders knew these things when western civilization used to be taught in schools instead of political mythology. Anyway, for those that just HAVE to believe in hoaxes, remember that man is not a tree and does not have roots. If it gets extremely wet, he can move.

The history for recorded temps is only back to what the 1880’s or so ? A measure of time SO geologically Insignificant as to not even be used for any kind of serious consideration . And yes we do know that Sun spot activity is changing . All of the Warming models are failing and becoming increasingly un reliable . In the end this is not about Global Warming , it is about Power and who has it . We just had the coldest wettest spring here in years yet I am supposed to believe that a few hot days are a harbinger of a huge global temperature disaster and the extra cold wet spring means nothing .